I'm gonna install latest version of Vista so I need to resize a partition. I've got XP all alone on a 141gb partition and rather than image it,repartition and reinstall, I just visited BootIt NG and UBCD http://67.19.82.66/ubcd/website/index.html to check the free software.
Any opinions on freeware ?- good or bad - easy to use etc on any of these: BootIt NG Ranish Partition Manager 2.40 TestDisk 6.2 Partition Resizer 1.3.4 Active@ Partition Recovery
Both drives are NTFS Drive 1 has 2 installs of XP(C) and E (old XP install) and a library(D). Drive 2 = X64 ( E = 25 gb) and XP SP2 ( F= 141gb) I want to resize F to be ~ 25gb and then make 2 new partitions on Drive 2 - Vista and a library. So I expect to use the program to resize F- get the 2 new partitions on there and then I'm done with it ( so that's why I didn't want to spend ~$50 for the solution). I figured both X64 installs to go on the same drive. Drive 1 WAS a standalone XP/ X64 drive that I'm reusing to see differences between X64 and Vista. Plan B : I could use Norton Ghost to image F - save the install to CD/DVD and when Vista trial is over, restore it there .
Patition resizing software - opinions
"- Bobb -" wrote in message
I'm gonna install latest version of Vista so I need to resize a partition. I've got XP all alone on a 141gb partition and rather than image it,repartition and reinstall, I just visited BootIt NG and UBCD http://67.19.82.66/ubcd/website/index.html to check the free software.
Any opinions on freeware ?- good or bad - easy to use etc on any of these: BootIt NG Ranish Partition Manager 2.40 TestDisk 6.2 Partition Resizer 1.3.4 Active@ Partition Recovery
Both drives are NTFS Drive 1 has 2 installs of XP(C) and E (old XP install) and a library(D). Drive 2 = X64 ( E = 25 gb) and XP SP2 ( F= 141gb) I want to resize F to be ~ 25gb and then make 2 new partitions on Drive 2 - Vista and a library. So I expect to use the program to resize F- get the 2 new partitions on there and then I'm done with it ( so that's why I didn't want to spend ~$50 for the solution). I figured both X64 installs to go on the same drive. Drive 1 WAS a standalone XP/ X64 drive that I'm reusing to see differences between X64 and Vista. Plan B : I could use Norton Ghost to image F - save the install to CD/DVD and when Vista trial is over, restore it there .
BootIt NG has been recommended numerous times in these groups , can't say on the rest
Hey Bobb, Just used BootIT NG as Haggis mentioned it's been referred to many times. I have used it to fix quite a bit of partition problems. It's a good program. It might be a little slow if you've used a lot of space on your Hard Drive but it will do the job. Good Luck
Joe
Kemco IT Professional
"- Bobb -" wrote:
I'm gonna install latest version of Vista so I need to resize a partition. I've got XP all alone on a 141gb partition and rather than image it,repartition and reinstall, I just visited BootIt NG and UBCD http://67.19.82.66/ubcd/website/index.html to check the free software.
Any opinions on freeware ?- good or bad - easy to use etc on any of these: BootIt NG Ranish Partition Manager 2.40 TestDisk 6.2 Partition Resizer 1.3.4 Active@ Partition Recovery
Both drives are NTFS Drive 1 has 2 installs of XP(C) and E (old XP install) and a library(D). Drive 2 = X64 ( E = 25 gb) and XP SP2 ( F= 141gb) I want to resize F to be ~ 25gb and then make 2 new partitions on Drive 2 - Vista and a library. So I expect to use the program to resize F- get the 2 new partitions on there and then I'm done with it ( so that's why I didn't want to spend ~$50 for the solution). I figured both X64 installs to go on the same drive. Drive 1 WAS a standalone XP/ X64 drive that I'm reusing to see differences between X64 and Vista. Plan B : I could use Norton Ghost to image F - save the install to CD/DVD and when Vista trial is over, restore it there .
of the non-free partition tools, I'm partial to Acronis Disk Director. And it runs in XP x64. However, with all of these tools, you can use them to change partition sizes and number, but then you should use Vista to recreate and reformat any partition you're going to use for Vista. I've seen a number of issues with folks who used one of these tools to non-destructively rearrange their partitions, but then had boot issues when Vista was installed into a partition that had been created with the tool. Using the partition tool to do the re-arrangement, but then using Vista during the installation process to drop and recreate the partition is a better bet.
-- Charlie. http://msmvps.com/xperts64
- Bobb - wrote:
I'm gonna install latest version of Vista so I need to resize a partition. I've got XP all alone on a 141gb partition and rather than image it,repartition and reinstall, I just visited BootIt NG and UBCD http://67.19.82.66/ubcd/website/index.html to check the free software.
Any opinions on freeware ?- good or bad - easy to use etc on any of these: BootIt NG Ranish Partition Manager 2.40 TestDisk 6.2 Partition Resizer 1.3.4 Active@ Partition Recovery
Both drives are NTFS Drive 1 has 2 installs of XP(C) and E (old XP install) and a library(D). Drive 2 = X64 ( E = 25 gb) and XP SP2 ( F= 141gb) I want to resize F to be ~ 25gb and then make 2 new partitions on Drive 2 - Vista and a library. So I expect to use the program to resize F- get the 2 new partitions on there and then I'm done with it ( so that's why I didn't want to spend ~$50 for the solution). I figured both X64 installs to go on the same drive. Drive 1 WAS a standalone XP/ X64 drive that I'm reusing to see differences between X64 and Vista. Plan B : I could use Norton Ghost to image F - save the install to CD/DVD and when Vista trial is over, restore it there .
"Charlie Russel - MVP" wrote in message
of the non-free partition tools, I'm partial to Acronis Disk Director. And it runs in XP x64. However, with all of these tools, you can use them to change partition sizes and number, but then you should use Vista to recreate and reformat any partition you're going to use for Vista. I've seen a number of issues with folks who used one of these tools to non-destructively rearrange their partitions, but then had boot issues when Vista was installed into a partition that had been created with the tool. Using the partition tool to do the re-arrangement, but then using Vista during the installation process to drop and recreate the partition is a better bet.
I used Acronis to resize Vista's partition, I added more space. I did this via WinXP.
Upon rebooting, I was told winload.exe could not be found Was able to boot back to XP. Stuck in the Vista installation disk and ran the cmd "d:\boot\bootsect /nt60 F:" That fixed it for me.
Resizing partitions can be a scary thing.
-Michael
Interesting suggestion. My installation of Vista (you brought it up) only offered to reformat the partition, and obviously did a quick format as it took only seconds. No other options were presented to me. I had planned to do as you recommend but was not available. I had my x64 and x86 drives disconnected and the only partition on the drive was an old x86.
"Charlie Russel - MVP" wrote in message
of the non-free partition tools, I'm partial to Acronis Disk Director. And it runs in XP x64. However, with all of these tools, you can use them to change partition sizes and number, but then you should use Vista to recreate and reformat any partition you're going to use for Vista. I've seen a number of issues with folks who used one of these tools to non-destructively rearrange their partitions, but then had boot issues when Vista was installed into a partition that had been created with the tool. Using the partition tool to do the re-arrangement, but then using Vista during the installation process to drop and recreate the partition is a better bet.
-- Charlie. http://msmvps.com/xperts64
- Bobb - wrote: I'm gonna install latest version of Vista so I need to resize a partition. I've got XP all alone on a 141gb partition and rather than image it,repartition and reinstall, I just visited BootIt NG and UBCD http://67.19.82.66/ubcd/website/index.html to check the free software.
Any opinions on freeware ?- good or bad - easy to use etc on any of these: BootIt NG Ranish Partition Manager 2.40 TestDisk 6.2 Partition Resizer 1.3.4 Active@ Partition Recovery
Both drives are NTFS Drive 1 has 2 installs of XP(C) and E (old XP install) and a library(D). Drive 2 = X64 ( E = 25 gb) and XP SP2 ( F= 141gb) I want to resize F to be ~ 25gb and then make 2 new partitions on Drive 2 - Vista and a library. So I expect to use the program to resize F- get the 2 new partitions on there and then I'm done with it ( so that's why I didn't want to spend ~$50 for the solution). I figured both X64 installs to go on the same drive. Drive 1 WAS a standalone XP/ X64 drive that I'm reusing to see differences between X64 and Vista. Plan B : I could use Norton Ghost to image F - save the install to CD/DVD and when Vista trial is over, restore it there .
If I remember correctly, click the advanced options button for 'remove' and 'new'.
"John Barnes" wrote in message
Interesting suggestion. My installation of Vista (you brought it up) only offered to reformat the partition, and obviously did a quick format as it took only seconds. No other options were presented to me. I had planned to do as you recommend but was not available. I had my x64 and x86 drives disconnected and the only partition on the drive was an old x86.
"Charlie Russel - MVP" wrote in message of the non-free partition tools, I'm partial to Acronis Disk Director. And it runs in XP x64. However, with all of these tools, you can use them to change partition sizes and number, but then you should use Vista to recreate and reformat any partition you're going to use for Vista. I've seen a number of issues with folks who used one of these tools to non-destructively rearrange their partitions, but then had boot issues when Vista was installed into a partition that had been created with the tool. Using the partition tool to do the re-arrangement, but then using Vista during the installation process to drop and recreate the partition is a better bet.
-- Charlie. http://msmvps.com/xperts64
- Bobb - wrote: I'm gonna install latest version of Vista so I need to resize a partition. I've got XP all alone on a 141gb partition and rather than image it,repartition and reinstall, I just visited BootIt NG and UBCD http://67.19.82.66/ubcd/website/index.html to check the free software.
Any opinions on freeware ?- good or bad - easy to use etc on any of these: BootIt NG Ranish Partition Manager 2.40 TestDisk 6.2 Partition Resizer 1.3.4 Active@ Partition Recovery
Both drives are NTFS Drive 1 has 2 installs of XP(C) and E (old XP install) and a library(D). Drive 2 = X64 ( E = 25 gb) and XP SP2 ( F= 141gb) I want to resize F to be ~ 25gb and then make 2 new partitions on Drive 2 - Vista and a library. So I expect to use the program to resize F- get the 2 new partitions on there and then I'm done with it ( so that's why I didn't want to spend ~$50 for the solution). I figured both X64 installs to go on the same drive. Drive 1 WAS a standalone XP/ X64 drive that I'm reusing to see differences between X64 and Vista. Plan B : I could use Norton Ghost to image F - save the install to CD/DVD and when Vista trial is over, restore it there .
yes, I brought it up. ;) You should have had an option, but if there wasn't anythig but a single drive/partition in the machine, that may have been the reason.
I think it also differs depending on whether you start the install from a DVD boot, or from within an existing Windows installation. Haven't played around with it much, actually. Just know it can be a problem if you're not careful.
-- Charlie. http://msmvps.com/xperts64
John Barnes wrote:
Interesting suggestion. My installation of Vista (you brought it up) only offered to reformat the partition, and obviously did a quick format as it took only seconds. No other options were presented to me. I had planned to do as you recommend but was not available. I had my x64 and x86 drives disconnected and the only partition on the drive was an old x86.
"Charlie Russel - MVP" wrote in message of the non-free partition tools, I'm partial to Acronis Disk Director. And it runs in XP x64. However, with all of these tools, you can use them to change partition sizes and number, but then you should use Vista to recreate and reformat any partition you're going to use for Vista. I've seen a number of issues with folks who used one of these tools to non-destructively rearrange their partitions, but then had boot issues when Vista was installed into a partition that had been created with the tool. Using the partition tool to do the re-arrangement, but then using Vista during the installation process to drop and recreate the partition is a better bet.
-- Charlie. http://msmvps.com/xperts64
- Bobb - wrote: I'm gonna install latest version of Vista so I need to resize a partition. I've got XP all alone on a 141gb partition and rather than image it,repartition and reinstall, I just visited BootIt NG and UBCD http://67.19.82.66/ubcd/website/index.html to check the free software.
Any opinions on freeware ?- good or bad - easy to use etc on any of these: BootIt NG Ranish Partition Manager 2.40 TestDisk 6.2 Partition Resizer 1.3.4 Active@ Partition Recovery
Both drives are NTFS Drive 1 has 2 installs of XP(C) and E (old XP install) and a library(D). Drive 2 = X64 ( E = 25 gb) and XP SP2 ( F= 141gb) I want to resize F to be ~ 25gb and then make 2 new partitions on Drive 2 - Vista and a library. So I expect to use the program to resize F- get the 2 new partitions on there and then I'm done with it ( so that's why I didn't want to spend ~$50 for the solution). I figured both X64 installs to go on the same drive. Drive 1 WAS a standalone XP/ X64 drive that I'm reusing to see differences between X64 and Vista. Plan B : I could use Norton Ghost to image F - save the install to CD/DVD and when Vista trial is over, restore it there .
Good information. And yes, it can be scary. But we all have current, verified backups before we do such things, right? <g>
-- Charlie. http://msmvps.com/xperts64
MICHAEL wrote:
"Charlie Russel - MVP" wrote in message of the non-free partition tools, I'm partial to Acronis Disk Director. And it runs in XP x64. However, with all of these tools, you can use them to change partition sizes and number, but then you should use Vista to recreate and reformat any partition you're going to use for Vista. I've seen a number of issues with folks who used one of these tools to non-destructively rearrange their partitions, but then had boot issues when Vista was installed into a partition that had been created with the tool. Using the partition tool to do the re-arrangement, but then using Vista during the installation process to drop and recreate the partition is a better bet.
I used Acronis to resize Vista's partition, I added more space. I did this via WinXP.
Upon rebooting, I was told winload.exe could not be found Was able to boot back to XP. Stuck in the Vista installation disk and ran the cmd "d:\boot\bootsect /nt60 F:" That fixed it for me.
Resizing partitions can be a scary thing.
-Michael
Absolutely! Although, I learned that lesson the hard way- a few times- before I got into the habit of making backups.
-Michael
"Charlie Russel - MVP" wrote in message
Good information. And yes, it can be scary. But we all have current, verified backups before we do such things, right? <g
-- Charlie. http://msmvps.com/xperts64
MICHAEL wrote: "Charlie Russel - MVP" wrote in message of the non-free partition tools, I'm partial to Acronis Disk Director. And it runs in XP x64. However, with all of these tools, you can use them to change partition sizes and number, but then you should use Vista to recreate and reformat any partition you're going to use for Vista. I've seen a number of issues with folks who used one of these tools to non-destructively rearrange their partitions, but then had boot issues when Vista was installed into a partition that had been created with the tool. Using the partition tool to do the re-arrangement, but then using Vista during the installation process to drop and recreate the partition is a better bet.
I used Acronis to resize Vista's partition, I added more space. I did this via WinXP.
Upon rebooting, I was told winload.exe could not be found Was able to boot back to XP. Stuck in the Vista installation disk and ran the cmd "d:\boot\bootsect /nt60 F:" That fixed it for me.
Resizing partitions can be a scary thing.
-Michael
Yes, more advanced options are available when booting from the dvd. I suspect that is the underlying WinRE which you cannot see when having booted XP. btw, if I'm right, Vista Home Basic and Premium users would not ever see such advanced options. But then those systems are almost certainly going to be preinstalled anyway.
"Charlie Russel - MVP" wrote in message
yes, I brought it up. ;) You should have had an option, but if there wasn't anythig but a single drive/partition in the machine, that may have been the reason.
I think it also differs depending on whether you start the install from a DVD boot, or from within an existing Windows installation. Haven't played around with it much, actually. Just know it can be a problem if you're not careful.
-- Charlie. http://msmvps.com/xperts64
John Barnes wrote: Interesting suggestion. My installation of Vista (you brought it up) only offered to reformat the partition, and obviously did a quick format as it took only seconds. No other options were presented to me. I had planned to do as you recommend but was not available. I had my x64 and x86 drives disconnected and the only partition on the drive was an old x86.
"Charlie Russel - MVP" wrote in message of the non-free partition tools, I'm partial to Acronis Disk Director. And it runs in XP x64. However, with all of these tools, you can use them to change partition sizes and number, but then you should use Vista to recreate and reformat any partition you're going to use for Vista. I've seen a number of issues with folks who used one of these tools to non-destructively rearrange their partitions, but then had boot issues when Vista was installed into a partition that had been created with the tool. Using the partition tool to do the re-arrangement, but then using Vista during the installation process to drop and recreate the partition is a better bet.
-- Charlie. http://msmvps.com/xperts64
- Bobb - wrote: I'm gonna install latest version of Vista so I need to resize a partition. I've got XP all alone on a 141gb partition and rather than image it,repartition and reinstall, I just visited BootIt NG and UBCD http://67.19.82.66/ubcd/website/index.html to check the free software.
Any opinions on freeware ?- good or bad - easy to use etc on any of these: BootIt NG Ranish Partition Manager 2.40 TestDisk 6.2 Partition Resizer 1.3.4 Active@ Partition Recovery
Both drives are NTFS Drive 1 has 2 installs of XP(C) and E (old XP install) and a library(D). Drive 2 = X64 ( E = 25 gb) and XP SP2 ( F= 141gb) I want to resize F to be ~ 25gb and then make 2 new partitions on Drive 2 - Vista and a library. So I expect to use the program to resize F- get the 2 new partitions on there and then I'm done with it ( so that's why I didn't want to spend ~$50 for the solution). I figured both X64 installs to go on the same drive. Drive 1 WAS a standalone XP/ X64 drive that I'm reusing to see differences between X64 and Vista. Plan B : I could use Norton Ghost to image F - save the install to CD/DVD and when Vista trial is over, restore it there .
In my initial attempts to install VISTA I used a UBCD boot CD and Ranish to delete the active WINXP partition and installed VISTA in the unallocated disk space. VISTA appeared to install properly, but kept getting "Windows Boot Manager" "Windows did not install correctly" errors. Tried to do Startup Repair with no success.
I was unable to install VISTA on my IDE0 drive until I cleaned off all partitions on the drive let VISTA install on an empty drive.
Hope you are able to get VISTA to install without deleting your other partitions.
"- Bobb -" wrote in message
I'm gonna install latest version of Vista so I need to resize a partition. I've got XP all alone on a 141gb partition and rather than image it,repartition and reinstall, I just visited BootIt NG and UBCD http://67.19.82.66/ubcd/website/index.html to check the free software.
Any opinions on freeware ?- good or bad - easy to use etc on any of these: BootIt NG Ranish Partition Manager 2.40 TestDisk 6.2 Partition Resizer 1.3.4 Active@ Partition Recovery
Both drives are NTFS Drive 1 has 2 installs of XP(C) and E (old XP install) and a library(D). Drive 2 = X64 ( E = 25 gb) and XP SP2 ( F= 141gb) I want to resize F to be ~ 25gb and then make 2 new partitions on Drive 2 - Vista and a library. So I expect to use the program to resize F- get the 2 new partitions on there and then I'm done with it ( so that's why I didn't want to spend ~$50 for the solution). I figured both X64 installs to go on the same drive. Drive 1 WAS a standalone XP/ X64 drive that I'm reusing to see differences between X64 and Vista. Plan B : I could use Norton Ghost to image F - save the install to CD/DVD and when Vista trial is over, restore it there .
- Bobb - wrote:
I'm gonna install latest version of Vista so I need to resize a partition.
Got $40? Get another disk drive.
Well, then ALL x64 versions should have the advanced options. While it's possible that they may be launchable from within XP, they'll certainly require a full, fresh, install - no direct upgrade is possible.
-- Charlie. http://msmvps.com/xperts64
Colin Barnhorst wrote:
Yes, more advanced options are available when booting from the dvd. I suspect that is the underlying WinRE which you cannot see when having booted XP. btw, if I'm right, Vista Home Basic and Premium users would not ever see such advanced options. But then those systems are almost certainly going to be preinstalled anyway.
"Charlie Russel - MVP" wrote in message yes, I brought it up. ;) You should have had an option, but if there wasn't anythig but a single drive/partition in the machine, that may have been the reason.
I think it also differs depending on whether you start the install from a DVD boot, or from within an existing Windows installation. Haven't played around with it much, actually. Just know it can be a problem if you're not careful.
-- Charlie. http://msmvps.com/xperts64
John Barnes wrote: Interesting suggestion. My installation of Vista (you brought it up) only offered to reformat the partition, and obviously did a quick format as it took only seconds. No other options were presented to me. I had planned to do as you recommend but was not available. I had my x64 and x86 drives disconnected and the only partition on the drive was an old x86.
"Charlie Russel - MVP" wrote in message of the non-free partition tools, I'm partial to Acronis Disk Director. And it runs in XP x64. However, with all of these tools, you can use them to change partition sizes and number, but then you should use Vista to recreate and reformat any partition you're going to use for Vista. I've seen a number of issues with folks who used one of these tools to non-destructively rearrange their partitions, but then had boot issues when Vista was installed into a partition that had been created with the tool. Using the partition tool to do the re-arrangement, but then using Vista during the installation process to drop and recreate the partition is a better bet.
-- Charlie. http://msmvps.com/xperts64
- Bobb - wrote: I'm gonna install latest version of Vista so I need to resize a partition. I've got XP all alone on a 141gb partition and rather than image it,repartition and reinstall, I just visited BootIt NG and UBCD http://67.19.82.66/ubcd/website/index.html to check the free software. Any opinions on freeware ?- good or bad - easy to use etc on any of these: BootIt NG Ranish Partition Manager 2.40 TestDisk 6.2 Partition Resizer 1.3.4 Active@ Partition Recovery
Both drives are NTFS Drive 1 has 2 installs of XP(C) and E (old XP install) and a library(D). Drive 2 = X64 ( E = 25 gb) and XP SP2 ( F= 141gb) I want to resize F to be ~ 25gb and then make 2 new partitions on Drive 2 - Vista and a library. So I expect to use the program to resize F- get the 2 new partitions on there and then I'm done with it ( so that's why I didn't want to spend ~$50 for the solution). I figured both X64 installs to go on the same drive. Drive 1 WAS a standalone XP/ X64 drive that I'm reusing to see differences between X64 and Vista. Plan B : I could use Norton Ghost to image F - save the install to CD/DVD and when Vista trial is over, restore it there .
You'd be astonished at the number of people who don't.
-- Charlie. http://msmvps.com/xperts64
MICHAEL wrote:
Absolutely! Although, I learned that lesson the hard way- a few times- before I got into the habit of making backups.
-Michael
"Charlie Russel - MVP" wrote in message Good information. And yes, it can be scary. But we all have current, verified backups before we do such things, right? <g
-- Charlie. http://msmvps.com/xperts64
MICHAEL wrote: "Charlie Russel - MVP" wrote in message of the non-free partition tools, I'm partial to Acronis Disk Director. And it runs in XP x64. However, with all of these tools, you can use them to change partition sizes and number, but then you should use Vista to recreate and reformat any partition you're going to use for Vista. I've seen a number of issues with folks who used one of these tools to non-destructively rearrange their partitions, but then had boot issues when Vista was installed into a partition that had been created with the tool. Using the partition tool to do the re-arrangement, but then using Vista during the installation process to drop and recreate the partition is a better bet.
I used Acronis to resize Vista's partition, I added more space. I did this via WinXP.
Upon rebooting, I was told winload.exe could not be found Was able to boot back to XP. Stuck in the Vista installation disk and ran the cmd "d:\boot\bootsect /nt60 F:" That fixed it for me.
Resizing partitions can be a scary thing.
-Michael
As I recall, WinRE is not in the Home editions.
"Charlie Russel - MVP" wrote in message
Well, then ALL x64 versions should have the advanced options. While it's possible that they may be launchable from within XP, they'll certainly require a full, fresh, install - no direct upgrade is possible.
-- Charlie. http://msmvps.com/xperts64
Colin Barnhorst wrote: Yes, more advanced options are available when booting from the dvd. I suspect that is the underlying WinRE which you cannot see when having booted XP. btw, if I'm right, Vista Home Basic and Premium users would not ever see such advanced options. But then those systems are almost certainly going to be preinstalled anyway.
"Charlie Russel - MVP" wrote in message yes, I brought it up. ;) You should have had an option, but if there wasn't anythig but a single drive/partition in the machine, that may have been the reason.
I think it also differs depending on whether you start the install from a DVD boot, or from within an existing Windows installation. Haven't played around with it much, actually. Just know it can be a problem if you're not careful.
-- Charlie. http://msmvps.com/xperts64
John Barnes wrote: Interesting suggestion. My installation of Vista (you brought it up) only offered to reformat the partition, and obviously did a quick format as it took only seconds. No other options were presented to me. I had planned to do as you recommend but was not available. I had my x64 and x86 drives disconnected and the only partition on the drive was an old x86.
"Charlie Russel - MVP" wrote in message of the non-free partition tools, I'm partial to Acronis Disk Director. And it runs in XP x64. However, with all of these tools, you can use them to change partition sizes and number, but then you should use Vista to recreate and reformat any partition you're going to use for Vista. I've seen a number of issues with folks who used one of these tools to non-destructively rearrange their partitions, but then had boot issues when Vista was installed into a partition that had been created with the tool. Using the partition tool to do the re-arrangement, but then using Vista during the installation process to drop and recreate the partition is a better bet.
-- Charlie. http://msmvps.com/xperts64
- Bobb - wrote: I'm gonna install latest version of Vista so I need to resize a partition. I've got XP all alone on a 141gb partition and rather than image it,repartition and reinstall, I just visited BootIt NG and UBCD http://67.19.82.66/ubcd/website/index.html to check the free software. Any opinions on freeware ?- good or bad - easy to use etc on any of these: BootIt NG Ranish Partition Manager 2.40 TestDisk 6.2 Partition Resizer 1.3.4 Active@ Partition Recovery
Both drives are NTFS Drive 1 has 2 installs of XP(C) and E (old XP install) and a library(D). Drive 2 = X64 ( E = 25 gb) and XP SP2 ( F= 141gb) I want to resize F to be ~ 25gb and then make 2 new partitions on Drive 2 - Vista and a library. So I expect to use the program to resize F- get the 2 new partitions on there and then I'm done with it ( so that's why I didn't want to spend ~$50 for the solution). I figured both X64 installs to go on the same drive. Drive 1 WAS a standalone XP/ X64 drive that I'm reusing to see differences between X64 and Vista. Plan B : I could use Norton Ghost to image F - save the install to CD/DVD and when Vista trial is over, restore it there .
OK, I no longer care about the space occupied by the old XP install. To now wipe/format the space, ( to be re-used later when Vista expires - maybe by XP x86) should I do so with XP SP2 x86 ? In XP Disk mgmt - delete partition 2 on X64 drive - then setup the new partitions - format the others, but leave the Vista chunk unformatted. Then once I start Vista install, you're saying to THEN format that space. ( to also save time)
Bobb
MICHAEL wrote: "Charlie Russel - MVP" wrote in message of the non-free partition tools, I'm partial to Acronis Disk Director. And it runs in XP x64. However, with all of these tools, you can use them to change partition sizes and number, but then you should use Vista to recreate and reformat any partition you're going to use for Vista. I've seen a number of issues with folks who used one of these tools to non-destructively rearrange their partitions, but then had boot issues when Vista was installed into a partition that had been created with the tool. Using the partition tool to do the re-arrangement, but then using Vista during the installation process to drop and recreate the partition is a better bet.
I used Acronis to resize Vista's partition, I added more space. I did this via WinXP.
Upon rebooting, I was told winload.exe could not be found Was able to boot back to XP. Stuck in the Vista installation disk and ran the cmd "d:\boot\bootsect /nt60 F:" That fixed it for me.
Resizing partitions can be a scary thing.
-Michael
- Bobb - wrote:
I'm gonna install latest version of Vista so I need to resize a partition. I've got XP all alone on a 141gb partition and rather than image it,repartition and reinstall, I just visited BootIt NG and UBCD http://67.19.82.66/ubcd/website/index.html to check the free software.
Any opinions on freeware ?- good or bad - easy to use etc on any of these: BootIt NG Ranish Partition Manager 2.40 TestDisk 6.2 Partition Resizer 1.3.4 Active@ Partition Recovery
BootItNG has never disappointed me, so I stopped looking at other partition managers.
--
Bruce Chambers
Help us help you: http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. -Benjamin Franklin
Colin--
Win RE should be available on any Vista DVD whatever the "edition" as far as I know. They won't withold that just for Premium users. If that's the case I'm surprised and I doubt that would happen. What no one from MSFT ever wants to see discussed is that OEM users who pay sometimes large bucks for boxes from their 300 named partners are deprived of reaching Win RE from either partitions or so-called Recovery Discs 99+% of the time, just as they are denied doing repair install booting from the DVD in Win XP. Go on any XP newsgroup are chat for a half hour and you'll see a parade of people who have preinstalled OEM XP, no CD from MSFT and can't do diddly squatt with what OEM brung 'em to dance with cryin' all over the place.
We're talking about more people on both OS's than can fit around the table for a poker game--500 million to be specific.
CH
"Colin Barnhorst" wrote in message
Yes, more advanced options are available when booting from the dvd. I suspect that is the underlying WinRE which you cannot see when having booted XP. btw, if I'm right, Vista Home Basic and Premium users would not ever see such advanced options. But then those systems are almost certainly going to be preinstalled anyway.
"Charlie Russel - MVP" wrote in message yes, I brought it up. ;) You should have had an option, but if there wasn't anythig but a single drive/partition in the machine, that may have been the reason.
I think it also differs depending on whether you start the install from a DVD boot, or from within an existing Windows installation. Haven't played around with it much, actually. Just know it can be a problem if you're not careful.
-- Charlie. http://msmvps.com/xperts64
John Barnes wrote: Interesting suggestion. My installation of Vista (you brought it up) only offered to reformat the partition, and obviously did a quick format as it took only seconds. No other options were presented to me. I had planned to do as you recommend but was not available. I had my x64 and x86 drives disconnected and the only partition on the drive was an old x86.
"Charlie Russel - MVP" wrote in message of the non-free partition tools, I'm partial to Acronis Disk Director. And it runs in XP x64. However, with all of these tools, you can use them to change partition sizes and number, but then you should use Vista to recreate and reformat any partition you're going to use for Vista. I've seen a number of issues with folks who used one of these tools to non-destructively rearrange their partitions, but then had boot issues when Vista was installed into a partition that had been created with the tool. Using the partition tool to do the re-arrangement, but then using Vista during the installation process to drop and recreate the partition is a better bet.
-- Charlie. http://msmvps.com/xperts64
- Bobb - wrote: I'm gonna install latest version of Vista so I need to resize a partition. I've got XP all alone on a 141gb partition and rather than image it,repartition and reinstall, I just visited BootIt NG and UBCD http://67.19.82.66/ubcd/website/index.html to check the free software.
Any opinions on freeware ?- good or bad - easy to use etc on any of these: BootIt NG Ranish Partition Manager 2.40 TestDisk 6.2 Partition Resizer 1.3.4 Active@ Partition Recovery
Both drives are NTFS Drive 1 has 2 installs of XP(C) and E (old XP install) and a library(D). Drive 2 = X64 ( E = 25 gb) and XP SP2 ( F= 141gb) I want to resize F to be ~ 25gb and then make 2 new partitions on Drive 2 - Vista and a library. So I expect to use the program to resize F- get the 2 new partitions on there and then I'm done with it ( so that's why I didn't want to spend ~$50 for the solution). I figured both X64 installs to go on the same drive. Drive 1 WAS a standalone XP/ X64 drive that I'm reusing to see differences between X64 and Vista. Plan B : I could use Norton Ghost to image F - save the install to CD/DVD and when Vista trial is over, restore it there .
Correction--what MSFT denies in XP to the OEM buyer is a valid CD and in Vista they will deny a valid DVD.
XP on CD; Vista on DVD afik although I'm sure some people will find ways to span CDs for Vista via prep methods.
CH
"Chad Harris" <Bushisamoron.net> wrote in message
Colin--
Win RE should be available on any Vista DVD whatever the "edition" as far as I know. They won't withold that just for Premium users. If that's the case I'm surprised and I doubt that would happen. What no one from MSFT ever wants to see discussed is that OEM users who pay sometimes large bucks for boxes from their 300 named partners are deprived of reaching Win RE from either partitions or so-called Recovery Discs 99+% of the time, just as they are denied doing repair install booting from the DVD in Win XP. Go on any XP newsgroup are chat for a half hour and you'll see a parade of people who have preinstalled OEM XP, no CD from MSFT and can't do diddly squatt with what OEM brung 'em to dance with cryin' all over the place.
We're talking about more people on both OS's than can fit around the table for a poker game--500 million to be specific.
CH
"Colin Barnhorst" wrote in message Yes, more advanced options are available when booting from the dvd. I suspect that is the underlying WinRE which you cannot see when having booted XP. btw, if I'm right, Vista Home Basic and Premium users would not ever see such advanced options. But then those systems are almost certainly going to be preinstalled anyway.
"Charlie Russel - MVP" wrote in message yes, I brought it up. ;) You should have had an option, but if there wasn't anythig but a single drive/partition in the machine, that may have been the reason.
I think it also differs depending on whether you start the install from a DVD boot, or from within an existing Windows installation. Haven't played around with it much, actually. Just know it can be a problem if you're not careful.
-- Charlie. http://msmvps.com/xperts64
John Barnes wrote: Interesting suggestion. My installation of Vista (you brought it up) only offered to reformat the partition, and obviously did a quick format as it took only seconds. No other options were presented to me. I had planned to do as you recommend but was not available. I had my x64 and x86 drives disconnected and the only partition on the drive was an old x86.
"Charlie Russel - MVP" wrote in message of the non-free partition tools, I'm partial to Acronis Disk Director. And it runs in XP x64. However, with all of these tools, you can use them to change partition sizes and number, but then you should use Vista to recreate and reformat any partition you're going to use for Vista. I've seen a number of issues with folks who used one of these tools to non-destructively rearrange their partitions, but then had boot issues when Vista was installed into a partition that had been created with the tool. Using the partition tool to do the re-arrangement, but then using Vista during the installation process to drop and recreate the partition is a better bet.
-- Charlie. http://msmvps.com/xperts64
- Bobb - wrote: I'm gonna install latest version of Vista so I need to resize a partition. I've got XP all alone on a 141gb partition and rather than image it,repartition and reinstall, I just visited BootIt NG and UBCD http://67.19.82.66/ubcd/website/index.html to check the free software.
Any opinions on freeware ?- good or bad - easy to use etc on any of these: BootIt NG Ranish Partition Manager 2.40 TestDisk 6.2 Partition Resizer 1.3.4 Active@ Partition Recovery
Both drives are NTFS Drive 1 has 2 installs of XP(C) and E (old XP install) and a library(D). Drive 2 = X64 ( E = 25 gb) and XP SP2 ( F= 141gb) I want to resize F to be ~ 25gb and then make 2 new partitions on Drive 2 - Vista and a library. So I expect to use the program to resize F- get the 2 new partitions on there and then I'm done with it ( so that's why I didn't want to spend ~$50 for the solution). I figured both X64 installs to go on the same drive. Drive 1 WAS a standalone XP/ X64 drive that I'm reusing to see differences between X64 and Vista. Plan B : I could use Norton Ghost to image F - save the install to CD/DVD and when Vista trial is over, restore it there .
It wouldn't be an issue for enterprises since they won't get boxes with Home or Home Premium installed any more than they got boxes with XP Home. What is supported in all editions of Windows is VSS. But the reason I heard that CompletePC Backup will not be available on Home Basic or Premium is that one of its underpinnings is WinRE.
"Chad Harris" <Bushisamoron.net> wrote in message
Colin--
Win RE should be available on any Vista DVD whatever the "edition" as far as I know. They won't withold that just for Premium users. If that's the case I'm surprised and I doubt that would happen. What no one from MSFT ever wants to see discussed is that OEM users who pay sometimes large bucks for boxes from their 300 named partners are deprived of reaching Win RE from either partitions or so-called Recovery Discs 99+% of the time, just as they are denied doing repair install booting from the DVD in Win XP. Go on any XP newsgroup are chat for a half hour and you'll see a parade of people who have preinstalled OEM XP, no CD from MSFT and can't do diddly squatt with what OEM brung 'em to dance with cryin' all over the place.
We're talking about more people on both OS's than can fit around the table for a poker game--500 million to be specific.
CH
"Colin Barnhorst" wrote in message Yes, more advanced options are available when booting from the dvd. I suspect that is the underlying WinRE which you cannot see when having booted XP. btw, if I'm right, Vista Home Basic and Premium users would not ever see such advanced options. But then those systems are almost certainly going to be preinstalled anyway.
"Charlie Russel - MVP" wrote in message yes, I brought it up. ;) You should have had an option, but if there wasn't anythig but a single drive/partition in the machine, that may have been the reason.
I think it also differs depending on whether you start the install from a DVD boot, or from within an existing Windows installation. Haven't played around with it much, actually. Just know it can be a problem if you're not careful.
-- Charlie. http://msmvps.com/xperts64
John Barnes wrote: Interesting suggestion. My installation of Vista (you brought it up) only offered to reformat the partition, and obviously did a quick format as it took only seconds. No other options were presented to me. I had planned to do as you recommend but was not available. I had my x64 and x86 drives disconnected and the only partition on the drive was an old x86.
"Charlie Russel - MVP" wrote in message of the non-free partition tools, I'm partial to Acronis Disk Director. And it runs in XP x64. However, with all of these tools, you can use them to change partition sizes and number, but then you should use Vista to recreate and reformat any partition you're going to use for Vista. I've seen a number of issues with folks who used one of these tools to non-destructively rearrange their partitions, but then had boot issues when Vista was installed into a partition that had been created with the tool. Using the partition tool to do the re-arrangement, but then using Vista during the installation process to drop and recreate the partition is a better bet.
-- Charlie. http://msmvps.com/xperts64
- Bobb - wrote: I'm gonna install latest version of Vista so I need to resize a partition. I've got XP all alone on a 141gb partition and rather than image it,repartition and reinstall, I just visited BootIt NG and UBCD http://67.19.82.66/ubcd/website/index.html to check the free software.
Any opinions on freeware ?- good or bad - easy to use etc on any of these: BootIt NG Ranish Partition Manager 2.40 TestDisk 6.2 Partition Resizer 1.3.4 Active@ Partition Recovery
Both drives are NTFS Drive 1 has 2 installs of XP(C) and E (old XP install) and a library(D). Drive 2 = X64 ( E = 25 gb) and XP SP2 ( F= 141gb) I want to resize F to be ~ 25gb and then make 2 new partitions on Drive 2 - Vista and a library. So I expect to use the program to resize F- get the 2 new partitions on there and then I'm done with it ( so that's why I didn't want to spend ~$50 for the solution). I figured both X64 installs to go on the same drive. Drive 1 WAS a standalone XP/ X64 drive that I'm reusing to see differences between X64 and Vista. Plan B : I could use Norton Ghost to image F - save the install to CD/DVD and when Vista trial is over, restore it there .
"Bruce Chambers" wrote in message
- Bobb - wrote:
Any opinions on freeware ?- good or bad - easy to use etc on any of these: BootItNG has never disappointed me, so I stopped looking at other partition managers.
Bruce Chambers
They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. -Benjamin Franklin.
Thanks for the input - you use the FREE version of BootItNG ?
BTW, I'm currently reading a Benjamin Franklin biography - very interesting guy.
Colin --
I don't know the answer to this and I've learned that when you wonder about something you're probably right. If you get information on this nailed down, let us know. Also you brought up a couple of interesting points on the thread "newer build" that started a couple days ago. Can you take a look at my questions because I thought you suggested that either 1) bit locker 2) or booting to safe mode on the XP boot--(a little more trouble to be sure for those of us who just type a file path to use the xp boot files) that both of those might confer protection on those VSS restore points. I was urging that if the points stay there to test them to see if they really restore (you can always undo them).
Thanks,
CH
"Colin Barnhorst" wrote in message
It wouldn't be an issue for enterprises since they won't get boxes with Home or Home Premium installed any more than they got boxes with XP Home. What is supported in all editions of Windows is VSS. But the reason I heard that CompletePC Backup will not be available on Home Basic or Premium is that one of its underpinnings is WinRE.
"Chad Harris" <Bushisamoron.net> wrote in message Colin--
Win RE should be available on any Vista DVD whatever the "edition" as far as I know. They won't withold that just for Premium users. If that's the case I'm surprised and I doubt that would happen. What no one from MSFT ever wants to see discussed is that OEM users who pay sometimes large bucks for boxes from their 300 named partners are deprived of reaching Win RE from either partitions or so-called Recovery Discs 99+% of the time, just as they are denied doing repair install booting from the DVD in Win XP. Go on any XP newsgroup are chat for a half hour and you'll see a parade of people who have preinstalled OEM XP, no CD from MSFT and can't do diddly squatt with what OEM brung 'em to dance with cryin' all over the place.
We're talking about more people on both OS's than can fit around the table for a poker game--500 million to be specific.
CH
"Colin Barnhorst" wrote in message Yes, more advanced options are available when booting from the dvd. I suspect that is the underlying WinRE which you cannot see when having booted XP. btw, if I'm right, Vista Home Basic and Premium users would not ever see such advanced options. But then those systems are almost certainly going to be preinstalled anyway.
"Charlie Russel - MVP" wrote in message yes, I brought it up. ;) You should have had an option, but if there wasn't anythig but a single drive/partition in the machine, that may have been the reason.
I think it also differs depending on whether you start the install from a DVD boot, or from within an existing Windows installation. Haven't played around with it much, actually. Just know it can be a problem if you're not careful.
-- Charlie. http://msmvps.com/xperts64
John Barnes wrote: Interesting suggestion. My installation of Vista (you brought it up) only offered to reformat the partition, and obviously did a quick format as it took only seconds. No other options were presented to me. I had planned to do as you recommend but was not available. I had my x64 and x86 drives disconnected and the only partition on the drive was an old x86.
"Charlie Russel - MVP" wrote in message of the non-free partition tools, I'm partial to Acronis Disk Director. And it runs in XP x64. However, with all of these tools, you can use them to change partition sizes and number, but then you should use Vista to recreate and reformat any partition you're going to use for Vista. I've seen a number of issues with folks who used one of these tools to non-destructively rearrange their partitions, but then had boot issues when Vista was installed into a partition that had been created with the tool. Using the partition tool to do the re-arrangement, but then using Vista during the installation process to drop and recreate the partition is a better bet.
-- Charlie. http://msmvps.com/xperts64
- Bobb - wrote: I'm gonna install latest version of Vista so I need to resize a partition. I've got XP all alone on a 141gb partition and rather than image it,repartition and reinstall, I just visited BootIt NG and UBCD http://67.19.82.66/ubcd/website/index.html to check the free software.
Any opinions on freeware ?- good or bad - easy to use etc on any of these: BootIt NG Ranish Partition Manager 2.40 TestDisk 6.2 Partition Resizer 1.3.4 Active@ Partition Recovery
Both drives are NTFS Drive 1 has 2 installs of XP(C) and E (old XP install) and a library(D). Drive 2 = X64 ( E = 25 gb) and XP SP2 ( F= 141gb) I want to resize F to be ~ 25gb and then make 2 new partitions on Drive 2 - Vista and a library. So I expect to use the program to resize F- get the 2 new partitions on there and then I'm done with it ( so that's why I didn't want to spend ~$50 for the solution). I figured both X64 installs to go on the same drive. Drive 1 WAS a standalone XP/ X64 drive that I'm reusing to see differences between X64 and Vista. Plan B : I could use Norton Ghost to image F - save the install to CD/DVD and when Vista trial is over, restore it there .
I don't know what is going on with BitLocker. BitLocker operates above the block level so VSS can take snapshots and CompletePC Backup can restore a volume in spite of BitLocker. In such a restore scenario the files would no longer be encrypted, however, and BitLocker would have to applied again to restore the encryption. Obviously the permissions to CompletePC Backup are sensitive indeed if the local system has encrypted volumes.
But I do know that booting into Safe Mode in XP will not kill the Vista restore points because VSS is not active in Safe Mode. That is why you cannot create a restore point in Safe Mode. System Restore depends on VSS to take the snapshot for a new restore point. System Restore does not depend on VSS to restore to a saved point because no snapshot is needed (already taken). That is why System Restore in Safe Mode is only one way. Folks assume that manipulating System Restore in Vista and XP somehow can affect the dying Vista RP problem. But it is not System Restore that is causing the problem.
Most if not all of this info is in the transcripts and slides used in recent Live Meetings and chats which I attended during the TechBeta Feature Focus week for CompletePC Backup. They may not be available outside of TechBeta and probably are not distributable to the public beta folks. While TechBeta is not NDA, I attended one session for MVP's that was covered by my NDA but I think I have been careful in the above not to state any NDA material.
What I am not yet clear on is the impact of XP VSS on other Vista shadow copies besides restore points made with Vista VSS. Maybe nothing.
"Chad Harris" <Bushisamoron.net> wrote in message
Colin --
I don't know the answer to this and I've learned that when you wonder about something you're probably right. If you get information on this nailed down, let us know. Also you brought up a couple of interesting points on the thread "newer build" that started a couple days ago. Can you take a look at my questions because I thought you suggested that either 1) bit locker 2) or booting to safe mode on the XP boot--(a little more trouble to be sure for those of us who just type a file path to use the xp boot files) that both of those might confer protection on those VSS restore points. I was urging that if the points stay there to test them to see if they really restore (you can always undo them).
Thanks,
CH
"Colin Barnhorst" wrote in message It wouldn't be an issue for enterprises since they won't get boxes with Home or Home Premium installed any more than they got boxes with XP Home. What is supported in all editions of Windows is VSS. But the reason I heard that CompletePC Backup will not be available on Home Basic or Premium is that one of its underpinnings is WinRE.
"Chad Harris" <Bushisamoron.net> wrote in message Colin--
Win RE should be available on any Vista DVD whatever the "edition" as far as I know. They won't withold that just for Premium users. If that's the case I'm surprised and I doubt that would happen. What no one from MSFT ever wants to see discussed is that OEM users who pay sometimes large bucks for boxes from their 300 named partners are deprived of reaching Win RE from either partitions or so-called Recovery Discs 99+% of the time, just as they are denied doing repair install booting from the DVD in Win XP. Go on any XP newsgroup are chat for a half hour and you'll see a parade of people who have preinstalled OEM XP, no CD from MSFT and can't do diddly squatt with what OEM brung 'em to dance with cryin' all over the place.
We're talking about more people on both OS's than can fit around the table for a poker game--500 million to be specific.
CH
"Colin Barnhorst" wrote in message Yes, more advanced options are available when booting from the dvd. I suspect that is the underlying WinRE which you cannot see when having booted XP. btw, if I'm right, Vista Home Basic and Premium users would not ever see such advanced options. But then those systems are almost certainly going to be preinstalled anyway.
"Charlie Russel - MVP" wrote in message yes, I brought it up. ;) You should have had an option, but if there wasn't anythig but a single drive/partition in the machine, that may have been the reason.
I think it also differs depending on whether you start the install from a DVD boot, or from within an existing Windows installation. Haven't played around with it much, actually. Just know it can be a problem if you're not careful.
-- Charlie. http://msmvps.com/xperts64
John Barnes wrote: Interesting suggestion. My installation of Vista (you brought it up) only offered to reformat the partition, and obviously did a quick format as it took only seconds. No other options were presented to me. I had planned to do as you recommend but was not available. I had my x64 and x86 drives disconnected and the only partition on the drive was an old x86.
"Charlie Russel - MVP" wrote in message of the non-free partition tools, I'm partial to Acronis Disk Director. And it runs in XP x64. However, with all of these tools, you can use them to change partition sizes and number, but then you should use Vista to recreate and reformat any partition you're going to use for Vista. I've seen a number of issues with folks who used one of these tools to non-destructively rearrange their partitions, but then had boot issues when Vista was installed into a partition that had been created with the tool. Using the partition tool to do the re-arrangement, but then using Vista during the installation process to drop and recreate the partition is a better bet.
-- Charlie. http://msmvps.com/xperts64
- Bobb - wrote: I'm gonna install latest version of Vista so I need to resize a partition. I've got XP all alone on a 141gb partition and rather than image it,repartition and reinstall, I just visited BootIt NG and UBCD http://67.19.82.66/ubcd/website/index.html to check the free software.
Any opinions on freeware ?- good or bad - easy to use etc on any of these: BootIt NG Ranish Partition Manager 2.40 TestDisk 6.2 Partition Resizer 1.3.4 Active@ Partition Recovery
Both drives are NTFS Drive 1 has 2 installs of XP(C) and E (old XP install) and a library(D). Drive 2 = X64 ( E = 25 gb) and XP SP2 ( F= 141gb) I want to resize F to be ~ 25gb and then make 2 new partitions on Drive 2 - Vista and a library. So I expect to use the program to resize F- get the 2 new partitions on there and then I'm done with it ( so that's why I didn't want to spend ~$50 for the solution). I figured both X64 installs to go on the same drive. Drive 1 WAS a standalone XP/ X64 drive that I'm reusing to see differences between X64 and Vista. Plan B : I could use Norton Ghost to image F - save the install to CD/DVD and when Vista trial is over, restore it there .
Bruce ,
I just downloaded it and made a cd. It has only 2 (hidden) files on it ??? I want it for "Non-destructive resizing for NTFS ". Both of the drives in there are bootable on their own. I booted CD and got to the "where to install ?" and tried HELP. It speaks in help of needing a FAT partition ... My question: where's it gonna install ? It tells me C - but didn't identify which drive . The menu then showed HD0 size so I now know that it sees 0 as the SATA drive but does Drive 0 = C: ? Since SETUP was not an option on the menu, there's no EMBR ?? I've got X64 drive as IDE 0 and XP Pro as SATA drive 1(my boot drive C ) and I plan to use this program to adjust the X64 drive. Does it matter WHERE I install the app ? Should it be on the target drive (x64) ? or NOT the target drive (x32) ? Does it matter ? I intend at some point to use the X64 drive on its own again ( does it need the bootitng info from the other drive at that point ?) It's getting late so I'll pick this up tomorrow. Thanks for the feedback. Bobb
"Bruce Chambers" wrote in message
- Bobb - wrote: I'm gonna install latest version of Vista so I need to resize a partition. I've got XP all alone on a 141gb partition and rather than image it,repartition and reinstall, I just visited BootIt NG and UBCD http://67.19.82.66/ubcd/website/index.html to check the free software.
Any opinions on freeware ?- good or bad - easy to use etc on any of these: BootIt NG Ranish Partition Manager 2.40 TestDisk 6.2 Partition Resizer 1.3.4 Active@ Partition Recovery
BootItNG has never disappointed me, so I stopped looking at other partition managers.
--
Bruce Chambers
Help us help you: http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. -Benjamin Franklin
Colin--
"I don't know what is going on with BitLocker. BitLocker operates above the block level so VSS can take snapshots and CompletePC Backup can restore a volume in spite of BitLocker. In such a restore scenario the files would no longer be encrypted, however, and BitLocker would have to applied again to restore the encryption. Obviously the permissions to CompletePC Backup are sensitive indeed if the local system has encrypted volumes.
But I do know that booting into Safe Mode in XP will not kill the Vista restore points because VSS is not active in Safe Mode. That is why you cannot create a restore point in Safe Mode. System Restore depends on VSS to take the snapshot for a new restore point. System Restore does not depend on VSS to restore to a saved point because no snapshot is needed (already taken). That is why System Restore in Safe Mode is only one way. Folks assume that manipulating System Restore in Vista and XP somehow can affect the dying Vista RP problem. But it is not System Restore that is causing the problem."
This is pretty interesting info and well written. I wasn't aware of the safe mode but of course that is logical--safe mode is a more pristine environment that doesn't load a number of files and drivers so that you can keep them from interfering with what you want to get done. I ust need help understanding the concept of an XP driver--and we aren't of course talking about device or software drivers.
I'd like to know what is going on with Bit Locker. I still have trouble getting my head around the concept of the ***'XP driver'*** that i've seen mentioned in connection with VSS situation andand system restore on a dual boot. I'd appreciate reading more about the 'XP' driver because it's not a driver concept I've focused on if there is some reference that defines it better than I've seen.
i''ll have to learn some Bit Locker from scratch and figure out how it works and try this out. Probably some info and links on the UAC blog:
http://blogs.msdn.com/uac/ Aaron Margolis [MSFT UAC Team] "How Do I turn off that annoying UAC"--can't imagine why that thought would have occurred to anyone ensconsed in a bunker in UACity.
Aaron writes:
"Those of you who follow this blog are probably aware that there has been... well, let's say dissatisfaction ... (yes, that's putting it nicely)... with the current implementations of UAC. One of the frequently asked questions about Vista today is "How do I turn UAC off?", and even some "experts" suggest turning it off."
I predict you are going to see some interesting enterprise approaches to this problem, Mr. Margolis and you will hear loud and clearly from the masses as the help desk and your Convergys of Ohio in India phones get flooded and the incompetent PSS that MSFT fronts to speak to the masses for help besides this group becomes more befuddled than ever with UAC. It is a scary thought having some of those non quality controlled outsourced Microsfot support contractor from Convergys of Ohio minimum wage butts in seats who struggle with English mightighly trying to explain UAC to the soccer mom in Plano, Texas or Tacoma, Washington. I can hear a lot of their usual refrain coming accross the sea "Yes Yes Ok OK."
Most of the Beta chats ( all but a couple actually) have been posted on "Vista web sites constructed by TBTs and others" and for a lot of them permission was asked or always to disperse it after the chat finished, until it became understood that the chat was not under any agreement and the question stopped coming up. Why MSFT just doesn't post them and the Live Meeting transcripts and slide decks at one central place to me is ridiculous except and unless it is to promote the feeling of smug exclusivity it seems to give some BT's or TAPs (Technology Adoption Program)or whatever acronym who spend hours fiercely posting that someone has posted some tidbit as if El Quada had attacked Redmond instead of concentrating on the many outstanding buts that haven't been touched or that they could have but haven't reported--or the scenario voting they could have but haven't done which can be done publicly.
I imagine the MVP/TAP and other 'abbrevation group' chats are kept private. But most of this is for the same reason that people learned a long time ago they can charge $500 for a bottle of champaing in the VIP room as long as they have suckers with disposable income to pay it. It feeds the insatiable hunger for being the chosen fewer, or part of a more exclusive private group particularly in a country like mine where egalitarian instincts have been overshadowed by clear demarcation of haves and have nots and the governming body is currently shelving huge doemestic and foreign problems to play with an amendment for a week on burning a piece of fabric as a symbol so that they can energize a base to vote stupidly in November.
When you think about it, or when I do, I don't see what the MSFT Betanistas or anyone at MSFT at all to gain by keeping those chats private at least the content--maybe they want to limit the numbers live--but the transcripts ought to be made available as well as the frequent Vista Live Meetings if MSFT is sincere about creating a bigger number of more knowledgable users. The major driving force not to make this information available is to give Beta testers a sense of elitism and reverse envy even though a large percentage of Beta testers don't really participate in Beta testing, nor do they read the material made available to them nor could they pass a comprehensive test on Vista at nearly any level. If there are about 26,000 or so Beta Testers markedly less than 5%-7% actually participate on their newsgroups or in any other Connect capacity.
It would seem paradoxical that if Mr. Buffett is giving Bill and Melinda more than $31 billion to go after global medical problems and universal education problems among many others, Bill would stir a little knowledge dogfood by getting as much information out on the cash cow that brings in the money for this philanthropy as he can. (BTW I can give away money as well as Melinda and Bill any day of the week and twice on Sunday, and if I make a mistake with Melinda, Bill, and Warren's money "it just doesn't mean the same as with my money" to quote Bill Gates this afternoon.) < :O )
It is also hypocritical for leaders of the Beta to claim that they want feedback from the unwashed public beta using masses when they are witholding substantial information from the unwashed masses that would enable them to give higher quality, more meaningful feedback and to test tools more fully. The current Chief Software Architect of the company who makes Vista and the guy Chris Jones reports to in a sense is on TV strengthening the capital for a foundation he said today wants to get a decent education for all Americans. How about a decent Vista education for all people who are willing to test the buggy cash cow Vista and enable MSFT's PR machine to build interest in it. It's a very aristocratic and I believe harmful point of view for them to take. I see no justification in witholding information from say a Recovery Chat or a Recovery Live meeting when it is obvious to them that people are struggling with the information.
It reminds me of the experiment in the movie "Trading Places": http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0086465/
I have often smiled at the way MSFT seems to give a 'Raiders of the Lost Ark' context to their information--trying to build some insatiable curiosity towards a climax when they finally say software isn't Beta just because a date comes and passes and a launch is held. "I'd like to discuss this but I can't, Rob Scoble often wrote. Because what? El Quada would steal it? IBM? Apple? Google. Open Source? Dream on.
The systemic ignorance by testers and the public on Win RE and System Restore and their implications and interelationships with UAC permissions and log in access and Bit Locker and how they really work is a great case in point. They are the spare tire or the way to fix a broken OS and when Charley Russell says "you wouldn't believe how many people don't back up" I believe Charley Russell. I believe 80% of people don't; Win One Care live team blogs 65%. No way in hell. It's higher.
The public has been given no meaningful informaiton and some junk called a Vista Product Manual that is fairly insulting to anyone who has spent at least a week with a Windows OS.
Those of you who follow this blog are probably aware that there has been... well, let's say dissatisfaction ... (yes, that's putting it nicely)... with the current implementations of UAC. One of the frequently asked questions about Vista today is "How do I turn UAC off?", and even some "experts" suggest turning it off.
Every American having 'decent education' where as high as 1/4 aren't graduating even a pale shadow of a high school and most professionals in America have no clue that their Senate is taking a full week to debate a flag burning amendment while blocking embryonic stem cells with a thoracic surgeon doing the blocking on the Senate floor--wonder how that grabs disease prevention oriented Melinda and Bill Gates and the docs at his health focused foundation? Wonder if ole Bill thinks those mostly millionaires in the Senate doing this are using their 'decent educations'?
Some should have gone to stop the consumately stupid infectious disease concept where China gave Tamiflu to 600,000 asymptomatic farmers and suburban US pharmacies are out of Tamiflu which would only kill people faster if the now human to human Avian Flu goes pandemic by building resistance with zero